Posts by Indian Larry

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Suspicious

by Suspicious in

i guess i'm new here.

born in and an ms. things just hasn't been making sense the more i think about it.

i'm starting to get suspicious.

As others have said, you are in for a rough ride. In my opinion one of the worse problems with the WTBTS is the constant repetition that they are God's sole channel of communication. This leads most witnesses to be unable to distinguish between faith in man and faith in God. What happens then is when you find out that the are nothing but a bunch of liars shooting from their hips with change after change in doctrine, you lose your faith in them and in God. If you are interested in keeping your faith in God and just dropping the BORG then I would reccomend listening to a podcast called "Resonable Faith" with William Lane Craig. I would also reccomend Ravi Zaccarius. They are both Christian apologists who try to answer some of the tougher questions relating to belief in God. They are not nessesarily preachers but more apologists.

If you don't know if you want to believe in God or not I would highly reccomend the podcast called "Unbelievable". Every week they have a Christian and a Athiest discuss various questions. The nice thing about it, is that they do get into the differences but they don't attack each other and do name calling etc. It is nice to hear people with diametrically differing viewpoints have rational discussions.

Finally like many others I would highly reccomend Crisis of Consceince, in addition I would also reccomend (after Crisis) reading In Search of Christian Freedom.

Good luck on your journey. It will not be easy. Also when you start learning stuff and you think you want to share with others . . . stop . . . step back and think again. The organization is wrong. There is no question about that. However you may have to decide what is more important to you being right or having friends, a wife, being able to talk with your children etc. I personally did a long long slooooooooww fade and it has worked well for me.

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Do any of you know of a religion that does not believe in the Trinoity?

by orbison11 in

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friends

i have such internal conflict on the trinity,,,i do not believe it,,,i dont know if it is jw brainwashing.

or if logically thinking applies here.

help :).

Indian Larry

This is a christian church that does not belive in the trinity. I find him very interesting to listen to. (You can download old radio shows on .mp3) or read the article on the attached link:

http://www.21stcr.org/multimedia-2011/1-articles/sf-trinity_defined_refuted.html

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Is the U.S. headed toward financial ruin? Your opinions please....

by tresdecu in

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friends

not trying to sound like a conpiracy nut...but just read this article:.

http://www.moneynews.com/archives/trump-aftershock-american-economy/2012/11/06/id/462985?promo_code=103fc-1.

is this just a lot of talk?

Indian Larry

I just did a "Google" search: "Is Moneynews.com slanted?"

One of the first results:

They specialize in spam. If you subscribe, you will get several messages each day from them and other "partners" who would just love for you to subscribe to their service for a fee. Furthermore, any news they do send you is slanted towards the tea party and reads more like propaganda than news. If you tell them to stop spamming you, they ignore you and send you more. This company is associated with MoneyNews.com and AfterShock.

Basically they are fear mongering for profit . . . . sound like any other corporation you might be familier with?

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Is the U.S. headed toward financial ruin? Your opinions please....

by tresdecu in

jw
friends

not trying to sound like a conpiracy nut...but just read this article:.

http://www.moneynews.com/archives/trump-aftershock-american-economy/2012/11/06/id/462985?promo_code=103fc-1.

is this just a lot of talk?

Indian Larry

Once I got away from all the doom and gloom the Watchtower pumped into my mind every week, the last thing in the world I want is to let someone else do the same thing. The FACT is this. No one knows the future, it is that simple. Remember, economists have accurately predicted 12 of the previous 4 recessions. The best thing I can do for my mental health is stay away from that crap, stay out of personal debt and get on with my life. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Every day life in North Korea

by fulltimestudent in

what's your reaction when you see a photograph like this?

a couple relaxing at the beach.. .

or, this, where a family enjoy a picnic in a pleasant park?.

Indian Larry

If you would like to know what everyday life in N. Korea is really like, read this book:

Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea by Barbara Demick

**A National Book Award finalist and National Book Critics Circle finalist, Barbara Demick’s Nothing to Envy is a remarkable view into North Korea, as seen through the lives of six ordinary citizens**

Award-winning journalist Barbara Demick follows the lives of six North Korean citizens over fifteen years—a chaotic period that saw the death of Kim Il-sung, the rise to power of his son Kim Jong-il, and a devastating famine that killed one-fifth of the population. Demick brings to life what it means to be living under the most repressive totalitarian regime today—an Orwellian world that is by choice not connected to the Internet, where displays of affection are punished, informants are rewarded, and an offhand remark can send a person to the gulag for life. Demick takes us deep inside the country, beyond the reach of government censors, and through meticulous and sensitive reporting we see her subjects fall in love, raise families, nurture ambitions, and struggle for survival. One by one, we witness their profound, life-altering disillusionment with the government and their realization that, rather than providing them with lives of abundance, their country has betrayed them.

I read it and it is a fantastic book.

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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?

by Indian Larry in

brief background:.

i am a 3rd gen witness.

several of her friends are already baptized.

Indian Larry

Parallpomenon - Not far fetched at all. That is the very reason I got baptised at age 18. As far as I know there are no boys in the picture. When I stopped going to the meetings, she and her mom switched halls. The new hall is very outgoing a lot of people and they are all honestly very nice. That is what makes it so hard. As far as I know there is no one putting specific pressure on her, if I was to find out someone was they would have to answer to me. My child, my business. Period.

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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?

by Indian Larry in

brief background:.

i am a 3rd gen witness.

several of her friends are already baptized.

Indian Larry

ruderedhead - Her mom is not pushing her, however she is happy that she wants to do it.

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How IGNORANT can you be and still be a Jehovah's Witness in GOOD standing?

by Terry in

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as i have said many times, i did not really study jw teachings in depth until i went to prison.. i had a period from 1959 to 1967 when i---sort of----could explain things to a shallow depth.

once i entered that profound place in my head (while in federal prison) when everything got serious.....i entered a secret room, so to speak, where.

all the mysteries were hidden!.

Indian Larry

How IGNORANT can you be and still be a Jehovah's Witness in GOOD standing?

Have you seen some of the vids on youtube of Governing Body members speaking at conventions? That should answer your question.

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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?

by Indian Larry in

brief background:.

i am a 3rd gen witness.

several of her friends are already baptized.

Indian Larry

I believe I remember reading somewhere that the WTBTS attoneys compared baptism to a contract in some litigation at some point in time. Can anyone point me to a verifiable quote showing that the WTBTS looks in baptism as a legal contract?

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My daughter asked to be an unbaptized publisher. What do I do?

by Indian Larry in

brief background:.

i am a 3rd gen witness.

several of her friends are already baptized.

Indian Larry

AlanV – She is well aware of a lot of the problems I have with the ORG. When her mother and I used to discuss problems I never hid it from her. I even played her about 40 min. of audio from Ray Franz (in search of Christian Freedom)

As far as college, I did play for both of them the clip of Garrit Losch comparing going to college to getting brain surgury with a rifle shot to the head. Needless to say she IS going to college. She is already (at age 15) in early college and she already has a scholarship for a full 4 year ride, textbooks and everything. She wants to go, I want her to go and her mother wants her to go so that is a done deal at least.

Yan Biblyan - I did mention that to her and that is a very good point. If Jesus waited until he was 30 why rush out in your teens? I will be sure to bring that up again.

Data-Dog - I am putting together and outline (Thanks Ministry School!) of talking points and quotes. I plan on using that. Thanks.

Jgnat: Exactly.